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04/05/16 at 07:44:14

charles.nadia96   Offline
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I'm paddling in the 2017 race and I'm thinking of going from my SEI to my SE. How narrow is to narrow?
 

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Reply #1 - 04/05/16 at 07:55:35

Aquarock   Offline
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I think you need to ask yourself...what on earth are you gaining by going even narrower in a long haul race?  Answer: Pain. Core shutdown. Remounts. Etc.

Unless you have an outrigger on something that skinny my two cents is you lose more than you can ever gain.  Your core will be done in 100 miles or less....and that's pushing it.
 
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Reply #2 - 04/05/16 at 08:24:38

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At my size I'm very comfortable in the SEI at 5' 6"  and 135 pounds soaking wet.... you looked pretty sore when I met up with you towards the end of the 340 last year.  I can't imagine what a narrower boat would do to someone with a bigger frame and much higher center of gravity.  The only thing I can visualize is if things would have gone differently when we came upon the barge if you would have been in the SE.
I think me paddling an SES would be proportional to you in the SE. I managed a couple 50 mile outings in the SES and I was toast.  I couldn't imagine going 340 suffering that much of beating on the core.
 
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Reply #3 - 04/05/16 at 08:53:51

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I thought your goal was a sub 45. For the MR340, I think you will be faster in the SR or S18S than going the other way.
 

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Reply #4 - 04/05/16 at 16:13:59

brad126   Offline
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I may have you confused with someone else, and if so, I apologize. But aren't you the guy who started a thread on here after last years race about choosing too narrow of a boat and smoking your core  early on?
 
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Reply #5 - 04/05/16 at 21:36:01

ScubaSteve   Offline
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Two questions:

Does anyone have a list of sub 50 finishers, that includes the boat they paddled and width?

Can you pee in a 17.5" boat?

Steve
 
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Reply #6 - 04/06/16 at 08:26:44

Jaybee   Offline
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I made some notes after last years race to try to figure out what kind of boats finished.  Not 100% accurate as I was looking through the pictures and searching out hull numbers. Apparently paddlers like Ryan Slebos and Joe Mann are too fast to be captured by normal cameras.   Wink

But, of the 24 male solo sub-50 finishers in 2015, it appears that at least 18 or so were in 18' long x 21" wide boat range - V8, 18X, S18, S18S, SR, QCC, V7 - with two or three Spensor canoes rounding out the top 20. I still believe that this is the ideal boat size for the MR for most paddlers.

As to peeing in the boat, of course it can be done but for most in a skinny boat it means dropping your legs outside the boat for stability.  Over two days of paddling, that translates into 20 to 40 minutes of feet-in-the-water drifting time.
 

Jim
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Reply #7 - 04/06/16 at 12:19:12

HoganHaake   Offline
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ScubaSteve wrote on 04/05/16 at 21:36:01:
Can you pee in a 17.5" boat?


Everyone can pee in the boat, its if you can keep pee out of a 17.5" boat  Grin
 
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Reply #8 - 04/06/16 at 14:41:05

charles.nadia96   Offline
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brad126 wrote on 04/05/16 at 16:13:59:
I may have you confused with someone else, and if so, I apologize. But aren't you the guy who started a thread on here after last years race about choosing too narrow of a boat and smoking your core  early on?

My core only got smoked going into Herman. I was in less pain than I was in my tsunami and my S18. I peed in my bucket on a sponge and rinsed. If I could get down to 212 lbs. i could get the 45 hours. I'm now training in the ocean instead of a lake. This alone brings your skills up.
 

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Reply #9 - 04/06/16 at 20:50:25

brian and marilyn   Offline
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2015 was a faster than normal year. But it still took dedication to finish under the 50 hour mark. Marilyn and I had a 47:45 run in an aluminum canoe. (that's insane) Here's a list I found.

http://www.rivermiles.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1415805612





 
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Reply #10 - 04/06/16 at 21:43:10

Jaybee   Offline
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I knew I saw a list somewhere.  Here's the post 2015 record update including sub-50's:

http://www.rivermiles.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201790360
 

Jim
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Reply #11 - 04/06/16 at 22:43:15

BJones   Offline
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charles.nadia96 wrote on 04/05/16 at 07:44:14:
I'm paddling in the 2017 race and I'm thinking of going from my SEI to my SE. How narrow is to narrow?


I'll start off by saying I've never completed (or started) the MR340 (I am signed up to race with my mom this year) but I do own a Stellar SEL, a Spencer Extreme Pro, and I had access to a Huki S1-X for a summer. I'll also add that, compared to the top paddlers in Texas, I am probably at a lower echelon.

I mostly paddle a Spencer Extreme because it is so comfortable and is a great all around boat for the rivers in Texas. I do the same time trial on townlake (which has little/no current) in Austin and my PR in the Spencer Extreme for a 7.6 mile loop is about 6.75 MPH.

When I first sat in an S1-X, I actually thought it was just as stable as the Extreme. I've never done more than 20 or so miles in the S1-X but I felt like I could do a Safari in one (Carter Johnson actually did it in the exact same boat I was paddling. One of the top Texans completed the Safari last year in an S1-X). My best average on my Townlake loop was 7 MPH. I do another 14 mile loop on a river with current just outside of Austin and, when the flow was exactly the same, I was actually slower in the S1-X than my extreme.... probably b/c there are some tight turns and the S1-X didnt' turn as easily but in the MR340, that's likely not an issue.

When I decided I wanted a Surf Ski of my own to play around in, I tried the SEI but it was not comparable to the S1-X so I tried the SEL and it was pretty close. It seemed about as stable as the S1-X. I haven't had the SEL long but my PR average on my townlake loop is 6.9.

I think I could complete the MR340 in an S1-X and an SEL BUT I would easily give up the speed differential and race a Spencer Extreme b/c it's so comfortable (not to mention it's an open cockpit so it's easy to store stuff and transition at each checkpoint). Also, you can single blade a Spencer Extreme and not lose much speed.

My suggestion would be to keep your SEI, b/c it's kind of fun to have a surfski, and get a Spencer Extreme. I think you'll like it, especially for downriver paddling AND you can hit stuff and not worry as much. You might not be the fastest boat on day 1, but you'll catch a lot of people on day 2 b/c that boat is so comfy and it has a good cruising speed.

Anyways, maybe one of the Texas paddlers who has actually completed the MR340 and who has more experience with surf skis can add their 2 cents. But I really think you'll like the Extreme Pro.

Looking forward to finally racing the MR340 this year and meeting you all.

 
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Reply #12 - 04/07/16 at 12:27:00

Aquarock   Offline
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Real men don't go wider than 15"-16" and run a K1 for the 340.  Just saying.
 

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