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04/26/07 at 07:48:06

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Compact waterproof digital cameras like Pentax Optio W-series (WP, WPi, W10, W20, W30) or Olympus SW-series (720, 770) are popular among paddlers. They may not offer the highest image quality among point-and-shoot cameras, but they still produce decent pictures. However, shooting on water from a kayak or canoe requires some extra efforts and practice from a paddling photographer.

It seems that a first experience with these cameras may be disapointing and frustrating. I've got an e-mail from a new owner of Pentax Optio who was wondering why his on water pictures are blurry while his pictures on land seems to be much better.

In the response to that e-mail I posted a list of 10 tips:
http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C560391461/E20070408091728/index.html
Nothing really new (like keep your camera steady), but I hope they may be helpful.

More tips?

Could you share tips from your experience with a kayak or canoe photography? Are your on water pictures worse than these shot on land?

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Reply #1 - 04/30/07 at 08:47:31

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... pictures by Björn Olin from Stockholm with explanation how did he shoot them:
http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C1666358270/E20070424191512/index.html

Are you ready to expose your DSLR camera to splashes?

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Reply #2 - 06/17/07 at 11:08:25

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I have a tendency to shoot pictures in a horizontal (landscape) format when paddling. It is more tricky to shoot in a vertical format from my tippy kayaks, especially, when I have to use a paddle to stabilize my camera.

Some subjects simply require the vertical (portrait) format. Sometimes the choice is not so obvious. Of course, the best solution is to shoot several pictures in both formats.

Here are two examples of similar sunset scene (South Platte River and Horsetooth Reservoir) both shot in two format versions:

http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C560391461/E20070611092641/index.html
http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C1666358270/E20070616184451/index.html

Horizontal or vertical? Which image version do you prefer?

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Reply #3 - 06/17/07 at 11:25:09
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Marek,
You hit on one of the best pieces of advice I was ever given about photography -- of any kind.  Somewhere along the way, we amatures have gotten into the midset that we snap one shot of our subjects and then move on to the next.  It simply should not be this way.  Heck, the trained and experienced professionals shoot several or even many frames of the same subject to get just one print they like.

I suppose our tendancy to shoot once comes from the idea that we have to pay for film processing and prints.  But, with digital photography, this is no longer the case.  With the memory cards we have available today, we can shoot away at a subject and then go back and select one or two shots of that subject we really like.  We can experiment with composition, light levels, perspective and orientation.  To me, this is the real power we have with digital cameras.

One more thing I'll mention and then I'll stop.  There is a principle in photography called "follow through."  It's the idea of continuing to hold the shot (and camera) just a few moments past the shutter click.  I have found that many who use a digital camera with auto focus press the shutter button and then move the camera.  However, upon pressing the shutter button on many digital cameras means it is sending out a signal to determine the distance and lighting, making those automatic adjustments and focus, and then your shutter will be triggered.  However, many amatures click the button and jiggle their cameras slightly while the shutter is operating and thus get blury images.  So....follow through.  It is an old but valuable technique.
 
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Reply #4 - 06/27/07 at 09:44:56

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6 Sunset Pictures from 10 Minutes of Paddling on the Boyd Lake, Colorado - trying different angles, different placement of a horizon, with and without a kayak bow in the frame and switching from horizontal to vertical format:

http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C1666358270/E20070625133107/index.html

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Reply #5 - 06/27/07 at 11:39:24

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Merek:

How stable is that thunderbolt?...you are obviously taking pics from her...I read once that it was hard to take the lid off a water bottle while in that boat...I guess it all depends on the paddler....did you lower your center of gravity with your custom seat?...can you paddle it with knees together in a pumping style...or do you have to keep your knees splayed out and locked into the boat....one other question : on this boat...they talk about knee straps...what do they mean by that and would chaffing become an issue?

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Reply #6 - 07/08/07 at 08:29:40

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Thunderbolt seems to be quite stable to me. I haven't installed thigh straps. Chuck is using them.

My foam seat may be a little higher than the original sliding seat:

http://race.fit2paddle.com/C1159474119/E20070103175721/index.html

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Reply #7 - 07/08/07 at 09:27:23

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     I'm very comfortable in my T-bolt now, but I have a high seat (for speed and comfort) which may make it a bit tippier. The leg straps have never chaffed me....why I don't know- now that you mention it, it seems like they should. I can easily roll the T-bolt with the leg straps. I also take them off at times to alter my seating position.  During the Gritty Fitty, balance just wasn't a problem...On the Missouri, in the conditions yesterday, I would never take both hands off the paddle to open a bottle of gatorade.
     When downriver training on the Saint I know that 20-27" level is a dangerous level. The river goes snakey and sinuous, quick alternating left/right currents. Any level below that, or above that is fine.
     The Missouri, yesterday, was like that, strange and sometimes violent alternating current changes, boils, etc. Easily manageable for a 4 hour float- maybe even first night- but second day/night? I guess time will tell.
     The T-bolt was fun in the Gritty Fitty....I enjoyed the chop and the waves (but not all the water I took into my boat- at least 3 gallons by the dam portage- another one of the stupid things I did during the race!). Out on the Missouri yesterday? Not so enjoyable- it's a whole different ball game.
     I still haven't decided on a boat for the 340. I have 4 good choices. I'm watching river levels.
     
 

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Reply #8 - 07/08/07 at 12:45:10
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I was looking at the gages and the big drop is headed to that part of the river.  It's just at Boonville right now.  Looks steady in KC for awhile around 10 feet... I'm guessing the Corps will keep it that way, more or less.
 
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Reply #9 - 07/08/07 at 13:53:10

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Hey Scott- we got the impression the water was coming from the Osage, releases from the big pond upriver. The highest reading above osage was 80,000 while we were dealing with 140-160,000 yesterday. The water was also at a very nice temperature- almost cold, another reason why we thought it was a release.
     Also- rumor mill has it highway 94 will be closed during the race so getting to the ramp at Weldon Springs will be a real trick.
     Rumor also has it that the corps is going to shut down all our river gauges during the race to do maintenance.
     (how did all this get on "paddling photography?)
 

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Reply #10 - 07/08/07 at 15:44:09
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I'm sure the Osage will be throwing some cool water our way for a long time after the deluge down south.  The 20+ inches they were getting in south central Kansas during the Gritty Fitty finds it's way to Truman Lake, then Ozarks, then the Missouri via Osage river.  But there was a rise around Waverly/Miami/Glasgow of about 5-6 feet which is now fading so that should impact Gasconade on down sooner or later.  Despite the extra water.  The predictive gauge forecasts say so anyway.

I fully intend a dip in the Osage this year.  I usually head up about 2 miles to Soda Popp's gas dock to give the Kaw Warrior her first little drink of the trip.  Not a very practical stop for paddlers though.
 
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Reply #11 - 07/08/07 at 21:35:39

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You're right, Scott, that's not a landing I plan on hitting during the race....however it's a beautiful place to start from!  Bonnet's Mill- are you going to go on into town and have a beer at the bar????Also the guy in the market across the street has an interest in the 340!
 

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Reply #12 - 07/08/07 at 21:45:20
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Doubt I'll have time to stop at the market but I love Bonnet's Mill.  It's on the top of my list of places to live someday. 

I'll have to just have a quick visit at Soda's Gas Dock.  Soda is a good friend of the race.  Last year, I made a quick phone call to him when James Fawcett went down sick.  Soda had him retrieved from the river and on his front porch within a half hour.  I remain extremely grateful.
 
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Reply #13 - 07/09/07 at 08:39:15

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We may be hitting bonnet's mill this weekend. I'll be sure and tell Soda hi from the both of us. Should I also get a....cola?
 

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Reply #14 - 07/09/07 at 08:48:20
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Soda visits this forum frequently so you may have just said HI to him.

Here's a link to a recent news article about him.

http://www.riverrelief.org/events/07sodapopp.html

 
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Reply #15 - 07/12/07 at 08:17:36

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contemplating sunset ver Rocky Mountains from a board of Thunderbolt kayak:

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a few more pictures:
http://photokayaker.fit2paddle.com/C1666358270/E20070711184318/index.html
 
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Reply #16 - 07/12/07 at 22:52:15

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Reply #17 - 07/14/07 at 18:59:55

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Reply #18 - 08/09/07 at 22:38:55

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Hello Marek (Dave the River Slave here): Enjoyed you and Connnie's photos again this year. I read your tips. Right on the money. I shoot for a living and see something routinely that regular camera lovers do which certainly can affect their photo quality: holding a digital out in front of them at arm's length. Stabilize the camera by using the view finder (Camera is up against the eye, being held tight with both hands). A technique which I like is to shoot with one hand cupped under the camera. Also, I always tell people to shoot a camera like they would shooting a rifle (aim, breath in, release the trigger).
Slowing down their breathing as they shoot will also help. From a boat, like you said, calm water is better. Shoot with a higher shutter speed (if their are adjustments such as sports modes or shutter priority). Most of the problems I see come from people shooting with their camera so far out in front of them they have no hope of havnig a stable image.
Best wishes.
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Reply #19 - 08/10/07 at 19:03:11

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